| Ellis | Rarely do I have the pleasure of introducing such an esteemed guest, simply this night we are delighted to welcome none other than James Krenov to the WoodCentral chatroom. For almost of us, Jim needs no introduction. He has certainly been 1 of the well-nigh influential woodworkers of all time. His books and teachings take helped spur a renaissance of craftsmanship in North America and around the world. We�re privileged to have him join us here tonight. Welcome, Jim! |
| Spence | Adept evening |
| Roger_Myers | A pleasance Mr. Krenov....thank you Ellis |
| Ellis | My pleasure. |
| Agee | Thanks for being here Jim! |
| Ellis | I would like to kick it off with a question for you, Jim: The books you wrote in the 1970s continue to influence woodworkers worldwide, including many of the folks hither with us tonight. Have yous figured out what resonates so strongly with these woodworkers? |
| Jim Krenov | The simplest and almost direct answer would be that for some people inner enjoyment and self expression are more of import than mechanically motivated efficiency and computer blueprint. People want to exist able to say nigh their piece of work, "this is me." |
| Ellis | Welcome to all you newcomers. Jim Krenov is our invitee this evening. |
| Carole_in_VA | Jim, what's your biggest source of inspiration for your pieces? |
| Jim Krenov | Well-nigh people would say that Krenov starts with the woods. And in that location is truth in that. But, a functional idea for a slice that is going to exist more than decorative tin lead to the wood being less important than pleasant and beautiful fulfillment of the office of the piece. Then, forest isn't all of it. |
| rustym | Mr. Krenov, is at that place a risk you lot will do another book? |
| Jim Krenov | Not much chance of another volume, unless I write ane called the Left-Handed Cabinetmaker, prompted past the arthritis in my right hand! |
| Carole_in_VA | LOL |
| Norman | I wouldn't mind, I'1000 left-handed |
| Bill_Murphy | LOL |
| Warren_Muse | Jim, Your style has inspired many. Just how do you lot feel when you lot see your designs in the work of others? |
| Jim Krenov | Influence is nobody'southward personal property. My hope is that woodworkers influenced past certain lines, rhythms and textures will utilise them in their ain way and forget virtually me. |
| John_H | Jim I am fairly new to woodworking and want to larn about picking wood for pieces, grain etc. How best to become skilful at seeing the specialness of one board over some other? |
| Jim Krenov | With respect to selection of wood: Teach yourself to be aware of more than color and pattern. Acquire about texture and the working properties of forest. And then, your relationship to wood, any forest, will become personal and will relate directly to the kind of work that you lot want about to practise. Information technology is a gradual self-learning. Dryness is the essence. Real dryness. Learn well-nigh that. |
| Spence | Does the arthritis force you to spend less time in the shop? |
| Dale_L | Sad to hear near your right hand, James. |
| Roger_Myers | Mr. Krenov...it's not likely that we will ever forget the distinctive schoolhouse of blueprint you take inspired...it is a classic that will suffer! |
| Ellis | I agree, Roger. |
| Agee | Have you done all that yous wanted to practise? More than you lot wanted to do or expected as a swain? |
| Ellis | Okay, let'south wait a moment before we inundate our guest... :-) |
| Ellis | WoodCentral and most of the mainstream print magazines are patronized by people who are gorging about learning the craft of woodworking. Not all of them can attend a program similar the school y'all founded at the College of the Redwoods. Is in that location another way they can acquire the skills and sensibilities of your teachings? |
| Jim Krenov | Definitely yes! The College is inevitably influenced by fourth dimension and pressures and then I don't know wether the intimacy and kind of teaching that helped people see and experience better is still the chief idea. In that location is a difference between instructing and teaching. Starting with a relaxed open up-minded arroyo to tools and woods and other things that matter most to craftsmen, one will inevitably go ones own teacher, make friends, share with them and make one'southward own way. |
| Ellis | I had a feeling you would say that. Thanks! |
| Carole_in_VA | Sounds like a role that WoodCentral serves :-) |
| Spence | certain does! |
| Ellis | Yes, Carole, but we teach each other, also. |
| AndiWolfe | Woodturning has an openness to the arts and crafts where turners are willing to share techniques with ane another. Do you find furniture-makers similar in their willingness to share with one another? |
| Jim Krenov | Willingness to share? Definietly not. Ego comes in, and financial gain and reputation. If you can get past all that, and so sharing becomes simply existence friendly to the stranger at your door and sharing what you know with him or her. |
| Ellis | You accept always talked a lot about our sensitivities and curiosity as a basis for our best work. Tin can you lot say more well-nigh this? What sorts of things should an aggressive craftsman be sensitive to? |
| Jim Krenov | Nosotros take already touched on much about sensitivity. I tin can only add that i should non be likewise hands discouraged or intentionally isolated. Keep up your energy and your curiosity. Get to know yourself amend and better. |
| ddubs | Curiosity! I'm glad to meet that y'all said that. |
| Gil | Jim, I was at the Fine Furnishings show in Providence, Rhode Island recently. I found both types of people there, egotistical and kind sharing artists. |
| Roger_Myers | Jim, I find information technology interesting that some of the well-nigh achieved woodworkers (including yourself) are the most willing to share their noesis |
| Norman | Jim, how do you run into the arts and crafts of woodworking evolving over the side by side few years? |
| Jim Krenov | The development of woodworking - That is a hard one! I won't be around to see it. Which doesn't make me sad. The emphasis will be on efficiency and gadgets. And when that becomes stifeling there will be some drop-outs similar you and me. And, information technology isn't demeaning to be a drop-out. |
| Gil | Jim when you say Drop-out, would yous view that as a person who is non a "Sell Out" and is simply trying to be an artist? |
| TW | or more of a 'traditionalist'? |
| Agee | I recollect you can still be an artist,woodworker or "dropout" and even so feed your children. |
| jerry | ...and could y'all speak more to "dryness"? |
| Jim Krenov | Dryness: It involves knowing when the woods that y'all want has been sawn and where it has been stored. Besides, you can learn from the first cutting that you lot make in a piece of woods. How does the wood respond. Curve or flat? Dry is dry out, whether past a meter or by your hand and mutual sense. Also, remember this: if you lay a apartment piece of wood confront down on your demote, the up side will inevitably move a piddling scrap up towards the ceiling even if it is dry, and information technology will move a lot if it isn't. Conclusion: live with your wood. |
| Jim Krenov | Almost this dropout matter. It has nothing to exercise with a sell out or wanting to be an artist. It is simply a reluctance to join the rat race. As long as it is honest, it is legitimate. |
| Tex | You have to feed your children whether you produce art or drek. Most produce neither. They make the compromises that are necessary. Faulkner wrote his potboilers besides equally his corking works. |
| TW | If I drop out practise I have to sell all six of my routers? |
| Norman | TW, y'all tin can go along one for emergencies :) |
| TW | Norman, whew! |
| Yeung_Chan | Hello, Jim , Ellis and everyone, good evening. This is my very get-go time into a "chat room" |
| Ellis | Welcome, Yeung. |
| Carole_in_VA | Welcome! |
| Spence | Welcome Yeung_Chan |
| RayT | Welcome Yeung, Ellis runs a very friendly place here. |
| Ellis | Only the friendliest, Ray. :-) |
| dwight | Yueng Chan, what a beautiful display cabinet that appeared in FWW #161 that y'all built at the College of the Redwoods. My wish is to do as well. |
| John_H | Jim, I know you make your own planes. Are at that place any handtools companies that are making planes, chisels, etc. that you lot like? |
| Ellis | Jim, can you briefly depict your design process for us? How important are mockups? What do you larn from them? |
| Jim Krenov | Mock ups. It would have too long to give a proper reply. I don't design, or maybe I practise. I believe I compose. Sometimes from a very minimal idea. Perchance fifty-fifty a asking past someone and get footstep by step. All the time making new guesses, improvising and hoping. If you lot can't be good, be lucky! |
| Ellis | That'due south manner also modest, Jim |
| Carole_in_VA | Mr. Krenov is at that place any particular stage in the creation of a piece that yous bask more than than whatever other? |
| Larry_Clinton | Jim, practise you lot have a favorite forest you like to work with? |
| Agee | Is it more difficult to exit the rat race once you have three children? Or, from the other side, should you drib out and teach them another style that is closer to the heart and more live? |
| Yeung_Chan | I should come up to this more, just feel non enough time to do all things, especially making furniture. |
| Ellis | Yeung, make article of furniture. Trust me. |
| rustym | Mr. Chan...Any chance you will be in Texas someday? |
| dwight | Yeung_Chan Hope you will visit more often and also post pics. |
| Spence | Time is a harsh Mistress |
| TW | Agee, sometimes yous have to put the good of your family ahead of your 'dreams' |
| Roger_Myers | Jim... I've read that you sometimes leave a piece natural...no finish. Can you annotate? |
| TW | I don't know that many people who love their jobs after 20+ years |
| Ellis | Jim, along those lines, what finishes do you lot and your students employ most and why? |
| Agee | Yeah, I know that, merely by sacrificing dreams, sometimes I feel that I may be altering a course that may exist benign to my children. My youngest has Downs. He will exist a groovy woodworker and musician anytime, this I can alread see. So maybe I should get that road now... |
| ddubs | I recall I can answer the finish question. Shellac is the friendliest of finsihes. |
| Agee | Yes, I am in Pineville now. I hope Mr Krenov makes it back. |
| RevDoug | Agee, is that Pineville, KY? |
| TW | Agee, some tough decisions ahead of you... |
| Roger_Myers | Yeung, what is your stance on the "no end"? |
| Ellis | They got disconnected. Hang on a 2nd... |
| Dale_L | I think I could listen to Jim'south thoughts on life and woodworking all night. |
| Carole_in_VA | In all its glory, the cyberspace is still and then very delicate! LOL |
| craneman54 | So you have moved already, or only looking around for a place to live? |
| Agee | Pineville, LA ...I'm moving there to get off the road every week and spend fourth dimension with the family. |
| ........JIM KRENOV HAS ENTERED THE CHATROOM......... |
| Spence | Welcome back, Jim |
| Ellis | WB, Jim |
| dwight | While waiting, get your Feb 2003 FWW and enjoy Yeung's cabinet. |
| Agee | No move withal. Family is dwelling in Charlotte while I work down here until we sell the house.I will notwithstanding exist travelling once a month to my favorite city though -- Boston. |
| Ellis | Where were nosotros, Jim? |
| RayT | Question well-nigh finishing |
| Carole_in_VA | Ray, you might want to repeat. He was offline when you asked. |
| RayT | That's it. |
| Joanne | Carole, why don't you repeat your last question--I thought it was a adept one. |
| Carole_in_VA | Ummm....let me remember, Joanne. LOL |
| Joanne | Psst! Favorite stage of cosmos or something. |
| Ellis | Now I call back...what finishes do you and your students utilise most? |
| Jim Krenov | I use less polish (shellac) than I once did, although polish is a classic. There are fine waxes available. There is also a microcrystalline wax which contains no oil that leaves the forest protected but unchanged in color and texture. |
| Spence | Renaissance wax?? |
| rustym | Mr. Chan....Promise you make information technology downward this way sometime. Would dear to see Mr. Krenov come to Texas also. |
| Yeung_Chan | Rustym, right at present I practise not have any plan to Texas. Roger, if a piece of article of furniture (or many other things) is made to use, day by twenty-four hours, with many hands bear on, information technology is better with some kind of finish on it, my opinion. |
| Roger_Myers | thanks Yeung.. |
| Carole_in_VA | Oh yes, Mr. Krenov, is there any particular stage during the cosmos of a piece that y'all bask more than than whatever other? |
| Ellis | Are in that location rules of thumb for combining colors and textures? |
| Jim Krenov | Fortunately there are no rules any! Your ain perception of color, texture, and design should evolve into rhythms and combinations that reflect y'all and your judgement. |
| Ellis | So our work is a reflection of ourselves? |
| ddubs | Jim, you introduced the idea of personal relationships with tools and materials to a whole generation, an ideal which bears at to the lowest degree a human relationship to the hopes of the founders of the Arts & Crafts movement. To what extent was your teacher, Carl Malmsten, concerned almost that? Or was he more of an teacher? |
| Jim Krenov | Carl was everything he wanted to be and more. He had visited the Barnsley's and I'chiliad certain he was aware of the A&C Move, but what he imposed upon all of u.s.a. was strictly Carl Malmsten. An he did impose it! I knew Carl before the days of rout-it-quick do-information technology-on-the-shaper attitudes. He certainly advocated the proper use of all archetype tools. |
| Larry_Clinton | I asked if he had a favorite woods he liked to work with. |
| Jim Krenov | Favorite woods? Aye and no. I enjoy the kinds of wood difficult or soft calorie-free or dark that respond well to cutting tools. I don't enjoy fighting forest - for any event! |
| Carole_in_VA | I'm glad you lot said that! LOL |
| Dale_L | What woods are 'fighting woods'? |
| Jim Krenov | Rowed woods are nasty unremarkably - bubinga and others of a similar nature. Forest that are very soft tin can be more difficult in doing joinery than woods that are firm and fifty-fifty hard but polish grained. The ultimate test would be dovetailing balsa forest. |
| pam | :) |
| Agee | I've never seen any balsa model airplanes with dovetails, come up to think of it. |
| Dale_L | Thank you, Sir. |
| Ellis | I call back I'm gonna attempt that tomorrow. :-) |
| Greg | I never had that kind of time when I built them....heh, heh |
| pam | Ellis, you can cut the dovetails hands enough, but it'due south when you effort to join the pins and tails that the forest fails. |
| Agee | Jim, have you lot always ventured into whatever other materials besides forest? |
| Jim Krenov | No actually. From babyhood I grew up with wood. I appreciate deeply other media such as pottery, weaving etc. Just, I've stuck to wood and I'll always be stuck with it. |
| Agee | Not a bad place to be. |
| ZenIowa | Cheers for spending your time here this evening, peace. |
| Warren_Muse988 | Jim, Simply curious: When you lot start a new piece, do you work on it fairly steadily until it's finished. Or practice you 'walk away' for a while? |
| Jim Krenov | Sometimes I run -- not walk -- away! Just only briefly. We all have our ups and downs and at 84, I am no exception. |
| Greg | Congratulations Mr. Krenov! |
| Norman | Jim, you've been typecast |
| Ellis | You are definitely an exception. I tin can't play tennis to save my life. :-) |
| Yeung_Chan | Jim, each kind of wood has a tool to deal with it, right? |
| pam | Yeung_Chan, what does that mean? |
| Yeung_Chan | I mean; in general, for soft wood, you use regular plane, for very difficult wood, or "rowed woods" you utilise a scraper plane |
| Dale_L | Jim, are in that location other wood masters yous are fond of their piece of work? Such every bit Nakashima, Maloof etc.? |
| kengrunke | Jim, would you consider smell to be a gene in your dearest of wood? My favorite is the sweet, spicy smell of ash. |
| Ellis | What an interesting question. |
| Greg | I similar the olfactory property of bloodwood - similar weak cinnamon |
| Jim Krenov | In that location are fragrant wood and no odor woods and stinky woods. Your choice is as good as mine, perchance better - am I being brassy? Aye, I similar fragrant woods like Lebanon cedar. |
| Alan_Y | Mr. Krenov Do you pb your students downwardly a path? Or do yous watch their inclinations and encourage adjustments? |
| Scott_in_Eastern_Iowa | Air drying white oak kinda reminds me of vanilla at times |
| Agee | How about others who delved into other "forms" of wood like Eames with his bent plywood? |
| pam | I see, thanks. By regular plane I presume you lot mean 36-40� bedding? |
| Ellis | Nosotros can continue as long equally we want hither, simply ane thing I would like to know is what advice you would give to newcomers to woodworking? |
| Joanne | Ellis, I think nosotros lost Mr. Krenov again. |
| Greg | Jim, could you explain how someone "finds" their style, or do most woodworkers just "know " information technology...? |
| Yeung_Chan | Pam, 45 degree plane, if you fine tuned them they cut end proceeds hands with great issue |
| rustym | Mr Chan...Do yous take any plans for another book? |
| Agee | Yeh,and talk most the bevel up lanes at different angles.LOL |
| RayT | I don't want to be forward, but perhaps Yeung could be a special invitee some evening. |
| Ellis | I bet we could convince him. |
| Dan_D | Hi Dale |
| Agee | I love the bevel upwards planes. |
| pam | I judge I was request about soft wood. I've had end grain success with 38-43� eastern planes. |
| pam | Withal, I'm making some higher angle dai, so I'll endeavor the 45�. Are you writing a book near hand planes? |
| Agee | While Jim is gone, Pam, it seems to me that the angle is less of import (to a point) than the sharpness. I don't retrieve many users become their irons really abrupt and so make a judgement. |
| Yeung_Chan | This is JK's evening, let'southward listen to the chief and larn from him every bit much as possible. planes? get out information technology to another time, ok? |
| pam | OK, but Jim's not here right at present. |
| Agee | Proficient idea Yeung. |
| Agee | When Jim comes back. |
| Ellis | I just got off the phone with them... |
| Carole_in_VA | I sure hope I am nevertheless in my shop at 84! LOL |
| Warren_Muse988881 | I'thou on dialup, which is why my name keeps getting longer! |
| Ellis | They will be back, as soon as the gerbil-powered Isp in Ft. Bragg gets its act together... :-) |
| Scott_in_Eastern_Iowa | me besides Carole ! |
| Yeung_Chan | what is "LOL" mean? |
| Joe_in_Cleveland | Anybody know what Jim meant when he talked nigh dryness of forest? |
| Carole_in_VA | Laughing out loud |
| Carole_in_VA | literal...dryness |
| Bri_in_Mtl | I had trouble getting in here so I gauge I missed out....sigh |
| Warren_Muse988881 | lack of "wetness" |
| Carole_in_VA | lol |
| ........JIM KRENOV HAS ENTERED THE CHATROOM......... |
| JohnP384 | Carole, I accept a friend who is 80 and bicycles about 100 miles a week. Just have care of yourself. |
| Dale_L | Joe, Jim was talking about moisture in wood |
| Joe_in_Cleveland | ok Ballad, wasn't sure... didn't know if information technology had a deeper meaing or something. Got it. |
| Jim Krenov | Hey it looks like we're back in the running. Just a little computer glitch. |
| Spence | WB Jim |
| Agee | It is more than useful when it is really dry. The wood does not motion as much and is easier to manipulate. |
| Ellis | Welcome back. |
| Ellis | I don't know where we were merely, what communication would you lot requite to newcomers to woodworking? |
| Carole_in_VA | Jim, do you become past actual wet content (a meter) or by the feel and deportment of the forest when determining dryness? |
| Scott_in_Eastern_Iowa | at that place it is |
| Carole_in_VA | Distressing Ellis. |
| Agee | Jim,I have seen you accept representation in NYC. Do you have elsewhere? |
| Jim Krenov | For newcomers - Find out how much material means to you. Your feelings and your ideas don't spring into wood. Piece of work your way into it. |
| Greg | Mr. Krenov, could you explicate how a woodworker finds their "mode" or do nearly already "know" what they want to present in their work? |
| Jim Krenov | I do not accept a moisture meter. But, I retrieve i can with the use of logic and one's ain sensitivities develop a safe relationship to information technology. Call up, all the same, never rush wood unless you are absolutely sure that information technology is ready to exist rushed. |
| Bri_in_Mtl | difficult to put your ideas into wood later the forest has had a lot of preparation.. |
| Carole_in_VA | I have been told past my mentor to e'er endeavour to become wood that has been cut in late fall when the sap is downwards. Is that correct? |
| Agee | Just how are you sure when information technology is set up to be rushed? |
| Jim Krenov | Mode is a dangerous thing to go involved in. To me, the less you recollect virtually it, the better. Simply express your ideas and your feelings and remember that past fourth dimension, these too may change somewhat. So, and then, what is style? |
| Carole_in_VA | I would think style evolves as ones abilities and experience evolve. |
| Larry_Clinton | Jim, are you working on any projects now? |
| Jim Krenov | If nosotros follow rules like that, nosotros will use very little wood. |
| Joanne | Practice y'all have favorite "assignments" or "projects" to aid your students develop their power to express themselves in the wood and have the effect be something good? |
| Agee | I get the impression from your books and interviews that a lot of your philosophy in woodworking is based in "form follows function" but still your pieces turn out cute ! |
| Norman | Jim, in your cabinet construction, do you advocate other types of carcase joinery aside from dowels.. |
| Jim Krenov | Projects at present? Yes. Krenov makes boxes, piddling boxes. Some on stands, some without. Each one a little different, he hopes. |
| Agee | Am I incorrect in bold that yous counterbalance heavily the role of a piece in your piece of work? |
| Ellis | Folks, I have merely gotten the high sign and we're going to wrap information technology upward. |
| Ellis | But, Jim has agreed to join us again to continue this chat once more soon. |
| Carole_in_VA | Thanks Mr. Krenov for your time! |
| JohnP384 | it has been a great evening |
| Jim Krenov | I'1000 retired at present, just going back, no. I merely wanted my students and me to judge what projection suited each one at that particular fourth dimension. |
| Ellis | I desire to be the first to cheers for existence with us tonight, Jim. Hopefully, nosotros can do this again. Maybe I�ll bring my laptop and darken your doorstep the next time. Give thanks you so much for joining united states. |
| Ace | Thank you lot Sir for this evening |
| Spence | Thanks Mr Krenov |
| Greg | Give thanks Yous! |
| Joanne | Thanks for visiting. Thanks, Ellis |
| crackerjack | Thanks Jim,Ellis |
| Scott_in_Eastern_Iowa | Chiliad'nite All......Thanks Jim for the time spent w/ us tonite.....and thank you to you as well Ellis |
| Bill_Murphy | Thank yous Mr. Krenov. |
| John_H | Thanks from Indiana |
| miami | Thanks Mr. Krenov. |
| Warren_Muse988881 | Thanks Jim, Ellis, everybody... |
| AndyL | thanks |
| MRubes | Thanks, Mr. Krenov, thanks Ellis. |
| Norman | Thank You lot Jim and Ellis for the evening chat... |
| Agee | Tanks! |
| WJE | Thanks Jim |
| Larry_Clinton | Goodnight Jim, thanks for your ideas & knowledge. Really enjoyed this session , Night all, Thank you Ellis. |
| Dale_L | Thank you Jim for sharing with us tonight |
| Ellis | Information technology is my privilege to be able to do this. Thank you for joining us tonight. |
| kengrunke | :-) |
| Greg | Please come up back to visit anytime! |
| Spence | Thanks again to you lot besides Ellis |
| Spence | G'nite everyone |
| Bill_Murphy | Cheers Ellis...outstanding evening. |
| Ken_DeMarco | Thanks Mr. Krenov!! |
| Kent | Thanks and to all a skillful night |
| Bob_L | Thank you, Jim and thanks Ellis. It has been an enjoyable evening |
| Ellis | Yous are all welcome. If you lot want to stay around after Jim leaves to discuss the evening's chat, please experience free. |
| Yeung_Chan | Thank you, JK and everyone,and good night! |
| Spence | Please join us soon over again Mr. Chan |
| RayT | Thanks Jim and Ellis, hope to see Mr. Chan in the time to come and see all you finishers tomorrow night |
| Carole_in_VA | G'night Mr. Chan. Come up back and join united states of america! |
| Jim Krenov | Form & function - what I weigh, is simply the net result. Beauty is a role. Some things we brand are simply intended (hopefully) to be cute. That is legitimate. And often, it becomes a unproblematic and honest goal. |
| ......JIM KRENOV HAS LEFT THE CHATROOM....... Editor'south Note: At this point, Jim has left the chatroom, but you're welcome to read on to see how this chat winds downwardly. I hope you all had fun! |
| Bri_in_Mtl | Hope I tin get a transcript.. I missed a lot |
| Greg | Yeung please come dorsum and visit with us as well! |
| Norman | Take care Yeung, hope you join us for a conversation soon as well.. |
| Agee | I met an 85 yr one-time woodworker the other day, Mr Krenov. He said that he hasn't stopped woodworking, only that his projects have gotten smaller! |
| Ellis | :-) |
| Bruce_Foley | Mr. Krenov do you pick the wood for a project or does the woods speak to what it needs to be? |
| Ellis | We will have Jim dorsum once again in the not likewise distant futurity. |
| Agee | Cheers Ellis. This must exist a watershed event for WoodCentral. |
| Bri_in_Mtl | Be proud Ellis |
| Kent | Mr. Krenov has left the building. |
| WJE | Thank you Ellis, I enjoyed the Session. |
| Agee | I would imagine that having JK on should help you become other prominent wwr's on. |
| Bruce_Foley | Kudos Ellis, I believe that the bar indeed has been raised. Thanks again. |
| Carole_in_VA | Night all. Thank you again Ellis! |
| ddubs | Congratulations and practiced dark, Ellis. Jim hung in there for a fair amount of fourth dimension. |
| Ellis | Thank y'all all for coming this night. I just got off the phone with Jim and he says he enjoyed our chat very much. |
| Ellis | He wants to come dorsum before long |
| Agee | Ellis, how do YOU experience about this night? Did it come off every bit you wanted? Any changes you would make? |
| Ellis | I was worried almost the potential confusion of an unmoderated chat, only you folks came through in fine fashion. |
| Ellis | I'1000 torn most what to do differently. |
| Norman | Ellis, I never thought I would be speaking and hearing directly from JK. Good work putting this together |
| Ellis | My pleasure. |
| Agee | You (and the Woodcentral folks) provide a not bad case of how to talk on the internet |
| Ellis | Lord knows we try |
| Ellis | Yeung will be back as my guest soon, as well. Nosotros need to get him a typist, though. |
| Agee | What are you torn about? I have to moderate many sale meetings and am always interested in others thoughts. |
| Ellis | The choice is betwixt spontaneity and control |
| Norman | I alwsys feel similar the invitee is beingness overwhelmed with questions. |
| ddubs | The side chatter was distracting, but maybe that's the nature of these things. |
| Ellis | Unmoderated chats are more in line with my whole philosophy, simply they leave united states of america open to chaos. |
| kengrunke | JK was my get-go real guru -- from distant, through Fine Woodworking mag. Before I discovered woodturning |
| Agee | Yes, I know. spontaneity can be extremely enlightening. I think controlled spontaneity is the goal. In this format you lot have an interesting challenge. |
| Ellis | Too many questions tin really unnerve a guest, especially 1 who is 85 years onetime. |
| Ellis | But Taimi did a great job, and she was sick this night also. What a trooper! |
| kengrunke | does anyone know if we tin access this chat with a seperate program (Ircle?) instead of the Coffee spider web interface? |
| Ellis | Nope, can't do. This is a java conversation, period. |
| Ellis | Anyway, I told JK I would transport him a hat if he sent me a movie of him with information technology on. |
| Agee | Mr Chan, yous said this was your get-go conversation. Quite dissimilar from a grouping in person. Practice you have any thoughts about tonight? I sensed a scrap of frustration from you in i annotate. |
| Norman | LOL |
| Ellis | Yeung, are you nonetheless here? |
| kengrunke | thanks, Ellis |
| Ellis | No problem, Ken. I wish I could offering multiple options, but this is a shoestring operation here. :-) |
| Agee | A golden shoestring tonight. |
| kengrunke | your efforts are very much appreciated :-) |
| Ellis | Thanks, Agee. And Ken. I'one thousand so glad everyone had fun. I will edit and archive the chat subsequently tonight or tomorrow. |
| Yeung_Chan | This is wonderful, thank you Ellis for putting all this together. I was frustrated considering I read and type dull. |
| Ellis | I'll see you all soon. |
| Agee | I have had many heros in my life in many several occupations.This is the second time I have gotten to collaborate with one of them.It was very fun! |
| Ellis | Pretty amazing. It's after xi and nosotros still have 23 people here. Good work, folks! Cheers for coming... |
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